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Info from Omega Bienne regarding my Speedmaster 105.003-65

In may this year (2003) I traded my Omega Seamaster Chrono for a vintage Omega Speedmaster 105.003-65 with a nice person in Denmark. (hello Kurt)
After I received the watch I took it to an official Omega dealer/watchmaker, and he carefully opened the back, the watch had the dust-cover, and the cal.321 movement looked fantastic. The number on the movement was 25441567.
Next thing I did was look up the movement number on one of your fantastic informative sites. The 25+million movement number dated back to 1967.
I began to fear that the movement was not original on the watch, but placed in the 105.003-65 (1965) case later (in 1967).
I e-mailed the vintage information service on the Omega site.

My original e-mail:
Dear Sirs,
I am the very proud owner of a Speedmaster ST 105.003-65 It is a "pre-pro"
Speedmaster. The serial number on the cal 321 movement is 25441567.
Sources on the Internet show that this serial number belongs to the
production year 1967. The 105.003-65 however was produced in 1965.
Could you help me out on this?
I'm very curious about the origins of this fantastic movement, and the also 
fantastic watch the 105.003 is.
Thank you so much in advance.
BTW The watch came with the bracelet #1035 a 19mm steel bracelet. I have not
seen this bracelet before. Was this bracelet type original on the 105.003
Speedmaster?
Greetings from the Netherlands,
Hans Mennink
Now, late september 2003, I finally got a reply. They explained why the answer took so long.
Dear Mr. Mennink,
Thanks for your message and interest in our brand. Sorry for the delayed answer due to a considerable and growing number of inquiries on our website. Regarding your watch, we have now following details from our archives :
• OMEGA - Speedmaster Professional (original “moon watch” worn by the astronauts of Apollo XI mission, together with ref. ST 105.012 as well..) 
• Movement # : 25’441’567
• Caliber : manual winding chronograph movement of cal. 321 - 17 jewels 
• Watch reference : ST 105.003 (created in 1963)
• Case : round (40 mm diameter), stainless steel
• Size between case lugs : 19 mm
• Bezel : stainless steel with inserted black aluminium tachometer ring
• Dial : mat black with luminous hour markers and white luminous “stick” hands. 
• Glass : armoured hesalite
• Water resistance : tested to 30 meters (when new!)
• Production and delivery : Nov. 30th. 1967, to Denmark (your watch case was produced in 1965, as the “65” marking is appearing just after “105.003”).
Please note that your watch style has been created in 1963 and replaced in 1966 by ref. 145.003 (same watch but with another ref.). There has been probably a period of transition in 1966 where “105.003” cases were still used. This is perfectly usual. 
Your watch should come with a SS bracelet of ref. 1501 (also called 7912, 1501.6 or 1035.506).
Thanks for your patience and very best regards.
OMEGAVintage Information / jlm

So the 105.003 case was created in 1963, replaced in 1966, and sold up to at least November 1967.
I was very relieved when I received this e-mail. The watch I had is completely original. Even the bracelet is original.
Am I understanding correctly that on the Apollo XI flight BOTH the 105.003 and the 105.012 watches were on board???
Omega kindly included a large scan from the 1967 Omega catalogue. On page 54 of that catalogue Both the 105.003 and the 105.012 are offered alongside. Notice the somewhat different tachymetre bezel on the 105.003 model. Also interesting is the price of the watches Fr.450 (Is this French Francs or Swiss Francs)I guess later that year they raised the price to Fr.480. Also funny to see that the Speedmaster back than was associated with Formula 1 racing instead of NASA moonflights
I include in this mail the scan from Omega 
Greetings from the Netherlands,
Hans Mennink
Answer:
So the 105.003 case was created in 1963, replaced in 1966, and sold up to at least November 1967. I was very relieved when I received this e-mail. The watch I had is completely original. Even the bracelet is original. Am I understanding correctly that on the Apollo XI flight BOTH the 105.003 and the 105.012 watches were on board??? Omega kindly included a large scan from the 1967 Omega catalogue. On page 54 of that catalogue Both the 105.003 and the 105.012 are offered alongside. Notice the somewhat different tachymetre bezel on the 105.003 model. Also interesting is the price of the watches Fr.450 (Is this French Francs or Swiss Francs)I guess later that year they raised the price to Fr.480. Also funny to see that the Speedmaster back than was associated with Formula 1 racing instead of NASA moonflights I don't know that it's funny, but it sure is a bit different if you haven't delved that far back into the history before! =) Thank's for the post, Hans! There is opportunity to learn all of the time around here! -- Chuck Chuck Maddox ( Article index @ http://www.xnet.com/~cmaddox/cm3articles.html)
Answer:
It includes a much higher resolution version of the catalogue page.
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Hallo Hans
If you can mail it to my I can try to translate it. I can't see te oic in the post though, so I can't be sure if it is is not above my level of French knowledge.
Jaap
Answer:
If you can mail it to my I can try to translate it. I can't see te oic in the post though, so I can't be sure if it is is not above my level of French knowledge. Chuck Maddox ( Article index @ http://www.xnet.com/~cmaddox/cm3articles.html) 105.003/105.012 Catalog scan (full sized)
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Chuck, I'll forward the original mail to you... It includes a much higher resolution version of the catalogue page. . Chuck Maddox ( Article index @ http://www.xnet.com/~cmaddox/cm3articles.html) 105.003/105.012 Catalog scan (full sized)
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(It's 16:55 here)
Jaap
Answer:
Group 105: Men's watch, manual wind, waterproff chronograph with armed crystal, screwback with O-ring, waterproof crown, 17 jewels, antimagnetic, shockproof.
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Counter with tachymeter-productometer invented for science, industry and sports.
If one takes 1, 10, 100, 100O etc units as a base -for instance meters, kilo's or pieces- given a certain amount of time one can calculate immediately the speed or the production per hour with the aid of the seconds hand. When stopped this hand indicates on the tachymeter bezel the number that has to be multiplied with the chosen units (1, 10, 100 etc) to get the production or speed per hour.
Examples: A printing press produces 100 newspapers per 45 seconds. 45 seconds is determined by stopping the seconds hand at 100 newspapers. It indicates the number 80 on the bezel. Multiplying 80 x 100 (papers) gives 8000 papers per hour.
The same principle can be applied to calculate the speed of a vehicle: a vehicle covers a distance of 1 km in 30 seconds. On the bezel the number 120 is opposite the 30 seconds mark. The speed per hour is 120 x 1 = 120 km per hour.
As translated by me in (sometimes maybe less perfect) English, but neither French nor English is my mother tongue.
Jaap
Answer:
ST 105.012 - Calibre 321- stainless steel, steel bracelet 1506 semi extensible and box nr 1501 included Fr. 450
diameter 42 mm, bezel 31 mm, lug space 20 mm, luminous dial, mat black oxydized, luminous hands "Index (shape)", luminous seconds hand, and white counting hands (subdials). Case holder (?) Nr. 41, opening key nr 8.
ST 105.003 - Calibre 321, stainless steel, stainless steel bracelet 1501 (ex 7912) semi extensible, and box nr 1501 included SFR. 450
Diameter 40 mm, Bezel 31 mm, Lug space 19 mm, luminous dial, mat black oxydized, luminous hands "Index (shape)", luminous seconds hand, and white counting hands (subdials). Case holder (?) nr 16 1/2, Key number 6.
Both sold for the same price as it seems.
Jaap
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